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politics in general
« on: September 22, 2014, 08:31:17 PM »
Ok thought I would start a political thread. Nma are a fairly political band and it effects all of our daily lives like or not. Feel free to post on any subject.
Ok I'm going to kick it off with flavour of the week - The West Lothian question where Scottish,Welsh and Northern Irish MPs can vote on matters relating totally to England.
Now most of you probably think at first that this is outrageous and only mps representing English constituencys should get to vote on English only matters What's not to like. Well here is the bad news this would give the tories almost total control on policy's relating to England
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2014, 06:36:09 AM »
I may be the only NMA fan who is not super political. I am a classic liberal  but don't allow my political views to take up all of me life. I am very passionate about some subjects such as human rights and fair wages but somewhat turned off by  politics due to the fact that it's run by wealthy white men.  There are about the same amount of woman in the world than men so they are not entitled to rule the world.  A woman in politics gets cynical remarks about her physical appearance and who she is sleeping with are always made.

More about politics is Anarchy is complete irrational bullshit due to human nature. What would happen is alpha- male idiots would take over and everyone else will have no chance to thrive.

Communism will never work. While it seems fair, it's not. The people who work harder while their co-workers are lazy would get the same?   No! people who take advantage of other's work ethics do not deserve the same.

However capitalism of today does not work either. The corporations own everything and the owners sit on their lazy asses all day in an office. When people who give their blood sweat and tears to work, struggle to survive. 


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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2014, 06:37:31 AM »
Also I don't find NMA to be exclusively political.  It's more passionate about certain topics. There are just as many songs about nature or love than there are political songs.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2014, 09:04:33 PM »
Pol, I don't think we'll know until after the next election what might happen in terms of devolution powers and who gets to vote on what, regardless of whoever says whatever now. As soon as it was a No vote, focus moved on to May next year. Unfortunately any chance of change went out the window with the No vote.

As is probably evident by now, I have grown ever more disillusioned, disenfranchised and cynical about every part of our national political process (I'm excluding local as that's different and there might still be hope there). To the point where I don't vote and don't know if I'm still on the electoral roll. The charade is so detached from the 99% of us now it's farcical. It was finally all over for me when they first used the phrase “Career Politician” - the antithesis of everything an MP should be. So as far as party politics, the “corridors of power”, elections, prime ministers and all that is concerned I've turned my back, accepted that I will just have to take whatever shit they throw at us next and get with it as best I can.

But I'm angrier and far more political than I've ever been. Climate Change, Prejudice, Sustainability, Control by Commerce, Foreign Policy, Bigotry, Barbarity  and Depravity – shit, the list the goes on and on on.  And I'm more frustrated than I've ever been too. All of this stuff keeps on going – things that made me angry 25 years ago still exist to make my son angry in turn and many have got worse. Some of them we still deny are even happening. So yes, I'm very political. But I'm issue driven rather than taking a side – if you can actually bear to dig through all the well rotted manure you find knowledgeable thought, experience and words worth reading from all parts of the political spectrum. But that's down to individuals not the party colours they wear.

Yeah, in regard to where I might express my political rights that's where I stand. In Limbo. Caused by the only word worth taking from all of that – Disenfranchised.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2014, 07:40:18 PM »
Ok thought I would start a political thread. Nma are a fairly political band and it effects all of our daily lives like or not. Feel free to post on any subject.
Ok I'm going to kick it off with flavour of the week - The West Lothian question where Scottish,Welsh and Northern Irish MPs can vote on matters relating totally to England.
Now most of you probably think at first that this is outrageous and only mps representing English constituencys should get to vote on English only matters What's not to like. Well here is the bad news this would give the tories almost total control on policy's relating to England

Hi Pol, as I said in another forum that is only "bad news" for you. I put the URL for the election voting and England is blue like it or not. So actually not only would England have more democracy as English MPs would vote on English issues like the other countries have, but it would get the government it wants. You and I might not like that, but that is fact!  :)

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2014, 07:47:54 PM »
Pol, I don't think we'll know until after the next election what might happen in terms of devolution powers and who gets to vote on what, regardless of whoever says whatever now. As soon as it was a No vote, focus moved on to May next year. Unfortunately any chance of change went out the window with the No vote.

As is probably evident by now, I have grown ever more disillusioned, disenfranchised and cynical about every part of our national political process (I'm excluding local as that's different and there might still be hope there). To the point where I don't vote and don't know if I'm still on the electoral roll. The charade is so detached from the 99% of us now it's farcical. It was finally all over for me when they first used the phrase “Career Politician” - the antithesis of everything an MP should be. So as far as party politics, the “corridors of power”, elections, prime ministers and all that is concerned I've turned my back, accepted that I will just have to take whatever shit they throw at us next and get with it as best I can.

But I'm angrier and far more political than I've ever been. Climate Change, Prejudice, Sustainability, Control by Commerce, Foreign Policy, Bigotry, Barbarity  and Depravity – shit, the list the goes on and on on.  And I'm more frustrated than I've ever been too. All of this stuff keeps on going – things that made me angry 25 years ago still exist to make my son angry in turn and many have got worse. Some of them we still deny are even happening. So yes, I'm very political. But I'm issue driven rather than taking a side – if you can actually bear to dig through all the well rotted manure you find knowledgeable thought, experience and words worth reading from all parts of the political spectrum. But that's down to individuals not the party colours they wear.

Yeah, in regard to where I might express my political rights that's where I stand. In Limbo. Caused by the only word worth taking from all of that – Disenfranchised.

Anna, if you don't mind me saying, your approach is a bit "angry from Mayfair", a bit blunderbuss!  :) Its ok to be angry yes, but facts and how you want and will change them are the pivotal thing.

To me, saying you are disenfranchised is like saying you won't make the change. You know better than me that anger, left unassuaged will be bad for your health. you sound pretty damn intelligent, so what you gonna do about it!!!!  :)

I do however COMPLETELY agree with your hatred of the "career politician"! I too detest it. Since when was politics a career. Even worse all parties have these people who have done nothing else except politics. There are tons of the bastards, and I hate it when they boast how many years they have been in the house of commons, or that they have been in politics "all their life", actually they should be ashamed of it. And they come in all parties; David Cameron, Ed Milliband, Clegg, Caroline Lucas, Simon Hughes, Denis Skinner, yepp even Tony Benn etc.

Shower of useless bastards I wouldn't give a job to!  >:(

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Re: politics in general
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2014, 08:52:57 PM »
Idopas why would England having more democracy be " bad news" for me I don't see how it effect me in the slightest. England seems to me to pretty split politically there seems to be a definite north south split.
I just think giving the tories control in most of the decisions would be a bad thing.
But hey this is my opinion of outsider looking in and the thread is all about opinions
Anna i can't blame you for being pissed England seems to be lacking a credible socialist alternative if you don't like David Cameron or Ed Miliband what real choice is there
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2014, 07:57:32 PM »
Anna i can't blame you for being pissed England seems to be lacking a credible socialist alternative if you don't like David Cameron or Ed Miliband what real choice is there

Exactly. I don't agree with any of the shades of grey on offer. I don't want my vote to go with a "least worst option". That feels like prolonging the very thing I see as a problem. I could spoil my ballot paper but that's not my vote - I don't want to be lumped in with the idiots that draw a knob on theirs.  My choice is not to give my vote to any of them - they are not worthy of it. Instead I withhold my vote preferring to have it counted with the other non voters instead.

Anna, if you don't mind me saying, your approach is a bit "angry from Mayfair", a bit blunderbuss! 

 ;D nah don't mind at all, well except for the Mayfair bit!

"To me, saying you are disenfranchised is like saying you won't make the change."

Not at all. How is it? It's saying I feel no connection to the current system. I'm quite good with change  :D

"you sound pretty damn intelligent,"

HA! No, I just have too much time on my hands  :-[

"so what you gonna do about it!!!!  :)"

Change the ******* world man  ;D Just me, my bow and my battle-hound. Seriously though, I don't know. Right now I'm still trying to figure that one out. I do read a lot and there are some good thinkers out there but as to pulling that into some sort of personal political philosophy and finding a party where I could put my vote I dunno.

"Shower of useless bastards"

I'll vote for that

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Re: politics in general
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2014, 08:51:10 PM »
Looks like Cameron, his appreciation rating falling all the time, is getting ready to start another war... um, aren't we in one already?   ???

Well, it worked for Thatcher in the 80's.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2014, 10:13:18 PM »
Mr Miliband isn't looking to smart either, his last big speech before next years election and he forgets about all debt and racism opps i mean immigration. Before we know it Boris will be running the country i wouldn't let him look after one of my house plants.
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2014, 06:05:17 PM »
See the tories are at it again with their benefits freeze or in reality cuts.Some people might want to stand on a Jeremy Kyle soap box and shout "get a job" don't forget this affects many working people with a freeze on working tax credits and child tax credits as well as people on disability benefits. Do these people have no shame
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2014, 10:28:59 PM »
. Do these people have no shame

No
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 09:37:24 PM »
Bring back Caligula,

An environment of sex, violence, sadism, pillaging, complete disorder and anarchy!

Mind you, I have been witness to similar events down at my local boozer!

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2014, 09:49:08 PM »
Nice one ruckedout  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2014, 12:44:54 AM »
nazi bastards **** off. this is political.