How does one immigrate in an anti-immigration world?

[Amandistan]

For instance someone is unhappy living in their nation of birth.  They have traveled and know that their country and culture are horrible compared to others. That country has basic human rights, their country is years behind. 

This person is inevitably stuck living in that country due to the fact that immigration is not accepted anywhere.
Unless you are married or have a skill that nobody in that country has.

How is this not unethical?  The EU regards free movement as a basic human right yet only gives that right to people lucky enough to have been born there. It's a bit ironic.

There are really are not ways around it accept.

1. go there, work illegally and never leave because they will catch you at the border.
2. Become nomadic.    Work yet move from place to place.  Staying the legal visitors limited, then leaving for as ever long as needed for the clock to reset. Then return. T

Does anyone have any other suggestions?   

Number 2 is the best way to try to get around a law that is morally wrong but the issue is the border guards are suspicious because you have committed the horrible crime of "Traveling too much for too long."   

What are your views on borders. Do you think they should be open and free movement allowed?

[Shush]

Marry Master-Ray 

[Pol]

Tough one Amanda and there is no easy answer. I'm not sure of the rules regarding skills for non eu citizens. Yes getting married and being settled is one solution n don't worry it doesn't have to be master ray lol only joking both parties. Of course some online research would help

[wychbury]

1. go there, work illegally and never leave because they will catch you at the border.
2. Become nomadic.    Work yet move from place to place.  Staying the legal visitors limited, then leaving for as ever long as needed for the clock to reset

3. Quit moaning and expect everything to be handed to you on a plate. Knuckle down and develop the chef talents that you have to enable you to qualify.

4. Acknowledge that your experience of your own country is limited and that whilst the areas you are familiar with may have some "interesting" human rights, the vast majority of the country is much more progressive. Find areas in that country that do suit you more.

[Amandistan]

1. go there, work illegally and never leave because they will catch you at the border.
2. Become nomadic.    Work yet move from place to place.  Staying the legal visitors limited, then leaving for as ever long as needed for the clock to reset

3. Quit moaning and expect everything to be handed to you on a plate. Knuckle down and develop the chef talents that you have to enable you to qualify.

4. Acknowledge that your experience of your own country is limited and that whilst the areas you are familiar with may have some "interesting" human rights, the vast majority of the country is much more progressive. Find areas in that country that do suit you more.

I am working on developing that talent. However it's not a rare skill. People in the chosen country of immigration would easily fill it.  Honestly Canada is more likely and more civilized.

Even if i move to a more progressive state, America is still not a safe country. You can't walk at nights as in say "The Netherlands."  Or I could learn to teach english.

[Amandistan]

How could one resist Master ray?   

[BlackCountryMaggiD]

Or I could learn to teach english.

Oh the irony! ;-)

[BlackCountryMaggiD]

There are lots of US citizens living in and working and studying in Europe quite legally! (Albeit for a resticted time). They applied for the correct Visa, applied for jobs or study places or both and away they went.
Yes I understand the fact that you think it's "Unethical" that you can't live where you want without jumping through beaurocratic hoops but (like it or not) they are the rules that are in place at the moment.

Getting married to an EU national doesn't mean instant Visa anymore either.
Lucky escape there Master Ray! 

[Amandistan]

Hey, some countries prefer to learn American english over proper english. Like some Asian countries have buisness dealings with Americans. Therefore would rather learn American english.

The issue with the temporary work visas is that just applying costs a good bit of money. IF you are rejected you have paid for basically nothing.

I spoke to an English person at the pub last night. He had no ides that Americans could not work. He thought it was ridiculous.  That's proof that not all citizens support this.

That said I hear my country of birth is similar

[Pol]

The think is Amanda that in country you have to powerful right wing element be it national front ukip etc who shout " gawd damm foreigners coming over here and stealing our jobs etc" And though it might not be right it still happens. I couldn't go to America and work

[Amandistan]

America is bad as well. It seems no country openly welcomes immigration any more. 

[Bunny]

Ok. For my tuppence worth, and I'll add a world away from right wing. Immigration is a fantastic thing .....anyone who wants safety from persecution, Ill gladly welcome safe in the knowledge we're righting a wrong, anyone who comes to work for a better life Ill gladly welcome. Id love to beleive the happy EU family but there are too many cultural and national differences, which isnt a bad thing.

Im not entirely convinced that the EU open borders policy is neccessarily right, given the potential burden on the NHS and welfare system. Im not stupid enough to beleive all the foreigners are taking our jobs cos thats garbage. Im not stupid enough to say all foreigners are here to take benefits either, there are plenty already homegrown  for one reason or another, have a lifestyle of living off the state, for both necessary and unneccessary reasons. I do think that an influx of people will add a financial burden regardless, in a country that cant, or won't support its own.

[Bunny]

Ill add that foreigners should be in disparaging exclamation marks but my phone wouldnt let me edit the text. I hate that word!!!

[ldopas]

Well firstly there are some sweeping statements in the first post. Like why it is "morally wrong"? Why is it morally wrong to suggest that if I came to your country I could immediately settle, get housing and obtain state aid, say, in the US when I've put not one red cent in to date?

I note that some of the posts do the PC dance that we have to do as any talk of immigration is immediately super glued to racism. The issues actually as DrummyB well put is actually resources. The number one problem the world faces in my opinion is not climate change it is overpopulation. The irony is the population rise fuels many issues; unrest, diasporas and ever increased resources needed which increases climate change.

Migration has to be controlled or countries resources will be overrun, whichever country that is. Look at mass immigration of those who flee from war torn African states into their neighbours for example, this isn't just a western problem.

However the emphasis from the original poster is as usual guns blazing at the "evil" US and West. Me, I thank my lucky stars I was born in the west, there are many other countries and continents I could have been born on where I probably would not have been writing this due to dying from typhoid, famine, lack of water or genocide. So I think we need to bear that in mind when prothletising about how bad it is over here! 

[Amandistan]

Some people don't want to move to a country and be supported by it's government. Some are willing to work very hard and pay their way.  In fact i think it's less common for immigrants to get government benefits. In my experience the mexican, south american and eastern european immigrants are the hardest workers i have ever seen.

The issue is that these people need work and should very well be allowed to live somewhere safe. Over population is world wide so everywhere it's an issue. If we opened all borders, would't we no longer have refugees? 
They could just leave without dealing with immigration legal bullshit.

That said the common travel zones are horrible for nomads/ travelers.  One can not see 26 countries in 90 days of a 180 day period.