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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2016, 11:09:01 PM »
Yeah. One is never enough.

Anna im with you fully on workers rights being stripped. One good thing to come from the EU
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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #77 on: March 22, 2016, 04:24:13 PM »
Thanks for posting, sadly due to events else where this probably won't make the news
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« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2016, 06:25:10 PM »
I don't think the rest of the EU give two hoots whether we're in or out.

They must be so tired of Cameron's 'special status for Britain' bullkaka.

That way that he looks purposefully at the camera declaring that he's 'Battling for Britain,' before purposefully striding away to claim each disappointing compromise as some great victory.

And Gideons masterstroke bastard reverse Robin Hood budget last week. He's not even tried to disguise his contempt for the little people. If you were in any doubt about this government's attitude to the poor and sick, you can be in no further doubt now.

When IDS becomes your party's Jimminy Cricket, something has gone badly awry.

The 'Should I Stay Or Should I Go' EU vote is only a smokescreen.

We should be asking ourselves the question of how we are going to tackle the poverty, how we are going to look after the sick and lesser abled in our society and in society in general, but in truth it has to start at home.

We appear to have lost our way. It doesn't matter if the guidance comes from the EU or if as I hope, the scales are beginning to fall from the eyes of the many and for the first time, people are seeing this government for what it really is and that this is the beginning of their end and that next time around, we get something that has a social conscience and is prepared to make real changes for the good.

In or out of Europe, we're still a way away from where we should be.

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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2016, 06:52:18 PM »
I totally agree with everything you said peter , I know its a bit of a different debate imo the problem is that there isn't a credible alternative to vote for that going to win enough seats to form a government.
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« Reply #80 on: March 24, 2016, 08:03:38 PM »
Actually, the EU really wants the UK to stay. The reasons are obvious: a Brexit confirms the project's failure and it will only add strength to the arguments against held by other Euro-sceptic parties in the EU member states. There is little doubt that the EU will be much weaker without the UK. Just imagine if Germany or France were to leave!

The ideas of the EU before 1995 when it was the EEC (European Economic Community) were admirable enough. I'm all for greater economic co-operation and easier trade; I don't favour economic integration. However, from the late 1980s, when the agenda increasingly switched to political and monetary union, the ‘idea’ has become more bloated and tiresome. Europe is not, and has never been, a political or monetary union. It has a very poor track record in solving its own wars and economic problems. The American had to bail Europe out three times alone in the last century. The Euro is a disaster and something into which the UK should never enter. How can the PIIGS operate in the same currency as Germany and The Netherlands when there are such divergent practices and interests? Europe cannot even co-ordinate EUROPOL – never mind the idea of a unified Europe in political terms. Moreover, a rapid expansion from 12 countries to 28 in the space of approximately 20 years has just created a greater, bloated bureaucracy with less – not more – accountability and freedom. If you want democracy, don't go against EU directives (See Ireland with The Treaty of Rome as an example).

If the EU is so great, why do the richer countries like Norway and Switzerland want nothing to do with membership? They certainly thrive on their own without the EU. Do you mean to tell me that the UK could not survive on its own when it is in a position to negotiate its own trade deals with countries who have better economies? Has someone told Australia they need such a bloc to avoid recession and become stronger? David Ricardo would be spinning in his grave if only he knew the musings.

If the UK decides to stay, then further political and economic integration will be applied regardless. Refusal of the Euro will not be tolerated long-term.
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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2016, 08:08:29 PM »
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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #82 on: April 09, 2016, 11:32:31 PM »
Blimey, that thing about The Tories shoving an Pro - EU friendly booklet into everyone in the UK's letterboxes over the next couple of months... THAT'S not weighing everything in favour of the 'STAY IN' vote...   ::)

Regardless or whether you're IN or OUT, you gotta admit, that's loading the odds WELL in favour of Ham-Moron's vote of choice...

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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2016, 08:30:52 AM »
Think its a scandal that pro euro leaflets are being posted at our expense. Had to laugh when Dave said it was the governments opinion, lol half the tory party want to leave.
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« Reply #84 on: April 10, 2016, 11:02:41 AM »
Im all up for leaflets. I never have enough junk mail.

Seriously, I think presenting figures and costs is useful but also think the leaflets should reflect both sides of the argument so people can make an informed decision. As opposed to fear and hysteria.
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« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2016, 09:19:06 AM »
Its not a leaflet!! Its a booklet. Ours arrived today. Im not sure it says anything that isnt already out there and maybe might sway a percentage of people without a counter argument. I dont want to give away any spoilers, but the plot line is: this is what we have. We dont know what we'll have if we leave but it might be costly *cue theme tune from Insidious.

One the plus its very glossy.

Of course Im being tongue in cheek. I think with what is a monumental decision, its right the Government gives its side. Cost wise, I dont know if it would be cheaper to find another way, but hey what do I know.
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« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2016, 07:53:59 PM »
Its not a leaflet!! Its a booklet. Ours arrived today. Im not sure it says anything that isnt already out there and maybe might sway a percentage of people without a counter argument. I dont want to give away any spoilers, but the plot line is: this is what we have. We dont know what we'll have if we leave but it might be costly *cue theme tune from Insidious.

One the plus its very glossy.

Of course Im being tongue in cheek. I think with what is a monumental decision, its right the Government gives its side. Cost wise, I dont know if it would be cheaper to find another way, but hey what do I know.

I think that my point is... where's the equivalent of a counter argument?

I think I'm a fairly reasonable and open-minded kind of fella, but the argument seems to be definitely loaded in favour of Camerons preferred choice...
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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2016, 08:53:08 PM »
Totally agree with ray , there should have been two booklets sent out one for each side of the argument, were meant to be democracy. Would have preferred no booklets /leaflets tbh #straighttowheelybin lol
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« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2016, 10:01:51 PM »
Would have preferred no booklets /leaflets tbh #straighttowheelybin lol

Don't - regardless of which way you'll vote, send it back to the attn. Joanna George, Freepost RSBB-XRZT-ZTXE, the conservative party foundation, 30 Millbank, London SW1P 4DP instead; you get to help our nice post service AND the toryscum get billed for the privilege, what's not to like?  :D
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« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2016, 10:13:24 PM »
Would have preferred no booklets /leaflets tbh #straighttowheelybin lol

Don't - regardless of which way you'll vote, send it back to Freepost RSBB-XRZT-ZTXE, the conservative party foundation, 30 Millbank, London SW1P 4DP instead; you get to help our nice post service AND the toryscum get billed for the privilege, what's not to like?  :D

I like the way you're thinking, sir....
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