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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2016, 10:27:16 PM »
The people should get what they desire, politics should be about democracy. Agreed no more scare stories. Will be glad when its all over whatever the outcome
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« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2016, 02:19:27 PM »
The people should get what they desire, politics should be about democracy. Agreed no more scare stories. Will be glad when its all over whatever the outcome

I wish you were right, but scare stories from both sides will continue.

You say "the people should get what they desire", but only SOME people will get what they desire. That is democracy.  :)

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« Reply #122 on: May 22, 2016, 02:23:09 PM »
Well. I think Im voting in. Hand on heart for all the negatives I read about Europe, My life is not worse because of Europe. I do wish the papers wouldnt print scarmongering stories from politicians or the CEO of Shoe Zone predicting the country will fall to pieces though. It wont, itll get along fine. Mind you we could take a leaf from the SNP and push for another referendum if we dont get the result we want :D

Was your voting to stay in ever in doubt? You surely gave away your political intent when you accused me of being a "little Englander" for daring to talk about immigration in other topics?  :D

But as far as having another vote if we dont get the result, and I realise you were joking, where does it end. When Scotland eventually votes to leave us, and they will, do the "stay in the UK" lot get another vote a year after to reverse it????:)

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« Reply #123 on: May 22, 2016, 07:53:53 PM »
Well. I think Im voting in. Hand on heart for all the negatives I read about Europe, My life is not worse because of Europe. I do wish the papers wouldnt print scarmongering stories from politicians or the CEO of Shoe Zone predicting the country will fall to pieces though. It wont, itll get along fine. Mind you we could take a leaf from the SNP and push for another referendum if we dont get the result we want :D

Was your voting to stay in ever in doubt? You surely gave away your political intent when you accused me of being a "little Englander" for daring to talk about immigration in other topics?  :D

But as far as having another vote if we dont get the result, and I realise you were joking, where does it end. When Scotland eventually votes to leave us, and they will, do the "stay in the UK" lot get another vote a year after to reverse it????:)


Ive been absolutely unsure for ages, and ive expressed that honestly several times. I have no agenda. Just my beleifs and thoughts. Most of the people I know, are solely voting leave because of migration/immigration and while it has minuses,it also has pluses. I actually thought in some posts you were posting  good sense....and agreed with you. Having balanced all the for and against leaving for some weeks, I genuinely beleive  remain is better for the country. And I do get that everything isnt perfect for all. I do respect a different viewpoint and dont expect to change it or dismiss it because I dont agree and i have never in my life beleived I am right and everyone is wrong.
But likewise, no-one will change what I beleive in nor will it be dismissed.
 
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Re: EU Referendum
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2016, 08:49:10 PM »
Well. I think Im voting in. Hand on heart for all the negatives I read about Europe, My life is not worse because of Europe. I do wish the papers wouldnt print scarmongering stories from politicians or the CEO of Shoe Zone predicting the country will fall to pieces though. It wont, itll get along fine. Mind you we could take a leaf from the SNP and push for another referendum if we dont get the result we want :D

Was your voting to stay in ever in doubt? You surely gave away your political intent when you accused me of being a "little Englander" for daring to talk about immigration in other topics?  :D

But as far as having another vote if we dont get the result, and I realise you were joking, where does it end. When Scotland eventually votes to leave us, and they will, do the "stay in the UK" lot get another vote a year after to reverse it????:)


Ive been absolutely unsure for ages, and ive expressed that honestly several times. I have no agenda. Just my beleifs and thoughts. Most of the people I know, are solely voting leave because of migration/immigration and while it has minuses,it also has pluses. I actually thought in some posts you were posting  good sense....and agreed with you. Having balanced all the for and against leaving for some weeks, I genuinely beleive  remain is better for the country. And I do get that everything isnt perfect for all. I do respect a different viewpoint and dont expect to change it or dismiss it because I dont agree and i have never in my life beleived I am right and everyone is wrong.
But likewise, no-one will change what I beleive in nor will it be dismissed.
 
Possibly the most important X in a box in my lifetime, that will have consequences for my children, which ever way it goes. Scary stuff!!!!!!

Ah, now there's the rub...  :D

Firstly, DB, you'v reached a rational decision based on research and much thought, which is more than many folks in the UK have done, so I respect that.

But I'm afraid I don't agree with the thing about migration / immigration being the sole factor for voting LEAVE.  Well, it's certainly one, but not because of the whole 'afraid of the foreigners' thing, more the fact that the whole thing is so mis-managed.  C'mon, did NOBODY see this coming?  Plans should have been put in place many years ago... and they weren't, instead every country just looks after themselves.  Passes these poor desperate people from place to place with no idea of what to do with them, increasing tension from the immigrants and directly leading to the new rise of the Far Right amongst the ignorant and equally scared.  European UNION?  Every man / country for himself, more like... ask my pal in Germany what Merkel allowing unimpeded immigration into his country did for his hometown...

As for the way that economically unstable countries like Turkey are being fast-tracked for membership... why?  What can they offer?  Sorry to sound like a bit of a bastard, but you don't invite someone to get a joint bank account with you if they've got a huge history of debt and financial mismanagement!

And I still don't get why unelected folks are being given ultimate power and we should allow them to over-ride our own government (much as I hate our present government, but that's another debate...  ;))

I could go on, these debates are all available on other forums, but I think they've been covered before.

But you got it right, DB, this is the greatest European crisis of the 21st century and however everyone votes, and whatever the result might be, I hope they think carefully about it and respects the eventual outcome...

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« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2016, 09:06:11 PM »
Reading a lot of the posts here, I think a lot of us are getting our hatred for a political party or leader mixed up with the issue of whether we should leave or stay in the EU imo. Loathing for Cameron, Boris, Corbyn, Clegg etc is not the issue. Long after this cast have retired to the Lords we will still be left with the legacy of how we voted. Can we not remove ourselves from party dogma and how we vote in a normal election to discuss the issues.

It is difficult to get information. But understanding that the Mirror, Indi, Guardian and Huffington are left wing and will chip away at the right, and the Sun, Express, Mail etc will do the same to the left. Reading around facts, past decisions and in the end our personal belief on whether it will/not help with immigration, will/wont help the economy and so on is going to be down to us I think personally!

In the end this land has survived the blitz, WW1, Armadas, famine, despots, Romans, Vikings, more crisis that we can remember and come through, so I think we will all survive whatever the vote!  :)

Oh jeez .............. Totally agree with you ...............  :o :o :o :o  ;D
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« Reply #126 on: May 23, 2016, 07:10:25 AM »
Well. I think Im voting in. Hand on heart for all the negatives I read about Europe, My life is not worse because of Europe. I do wish the papers wouldnt print scarmongering stories from politicians or the CEO of Shoe Zone predicting the country will fall to pieces though. It wont, itll get along fine. Mind you we could take a leaf from the SNP and push for another referendum if we dont get the result we want :D

Was your voting to stay in ever in doubt? You surely gave away your political intent when you accused me of being a "little Englander" for daring to talk about immigration in other topics?  :D

But as far as having another vote if we dont get the result, and I realise you were joking, where does it end. When Scotland eventually votes to leave us, and they will, do the "stay in the UK" lot get another vote a year after to reverse it????:)


Ive been absolutely unsure for ages, and ive expressed that honestly several times. I have no agenda. Just my beleifs and thoughts. Most of the people I know, are solely voting leave because of migration/immigration and while it has minuses,it also has pluses. I actually thought in some posts you were posting  good sense....and agreed with you. Having balanced all the for and against leaving for some weeks, I genuinely beleive  remain is better for the country. And I do get that everything isnt perfect for all. I do respect a different viewpoint and dont expect to change it or dismiss it because I dont agree and i have never in my life beleived I am right and everyone is wrong.
But likewise, no-one will change what I beleive in nor will it be dismissed.
 
Possibly the most important X in a box in my lifetime, that will have consequences for my children, which ever way it goes. Scary stuff!!!!!!

Ah, now there's the rub...  :D

Firstly, DB, you'v reached a rational decision based on research and much thought, which is more than many folks in the UK have done, so I respect that.

But I'm afraid I don't agree with the thing about migration / immigration being the sole factor for voting LEAVE.  Well, it's certainly one, but not because of the whole 'afraid of the foreigners' thing, more the fact that the whole thing is so mis-managed.  C'mon, did NOBODY see this coming?  Plans should have been put in place many years ago... and they weren't, instead every country just looks after themselves.  Passes these poor desperate people from place to place with no idea of what to do with them, increasing tension from the immigrants and directly leading to the new rise of the Far Right amongst the ignorant and equally scared.  European UNION?  Every man / country for himself, more like... ask my pal in Germany what Merkel allowing unimpeded immigration into his country did for his hometown...

As for the way that economically unstable countries like Turkey are being fast-tracked for membership... why?  What can they offer?  Sorry to sound like a bit of a bastard, but you don't invite someone to get a joint bank account with you if they've got a huge history of debt and financial mismanagement!

And I still don't get why unelected folks are being given ultimate power and we should allow them to over-ride our own government (much as I hate our present government, but that's another debate...  ;))

I could go on, these debates are all available on other forums, but I think they've been covered before.

But you got it right, DB, this is the greatest European crisis of the 21st century and however everyone votes, and whatever the result might be, I hope they think carefully about it and respects the eventual outcome...

No mate migration isnt the sole reason and I havent said that. But for the people I know, who want out, its the one they keep coming back to, not loss of sovereign powers, or money spent on us not Europe. So I only speak from personal experience. I dont dismiss  a valid point and concern. I just feel that while it aint perfect, the benefits of Europe outweigh the minuses and risks involved in coming out, although I dont think the world will come to an end if we do. I see that DC  has attacked one of his own ministers over the Turkey issue and said its not going to be anytime soon. As much as I dont trust the man, I dont beleive he would do anything that will cost the country money or financial/social instability. Its not his style. Lets not forget he has at least tried to tackle it with Europe as opposed to B.Liar who accepted the whole open door without question. I do feel the whole debate is at risk of descending into mis-information from both sides. Hence the reason we go with what we beleive.
But hey, we get what we get and live with it.

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« Reply #127 on: May 23, 2016, 08:58:11 AM »
Very much agree with you drummyb , most of the people I speak are concerned by the effects of immigration - jobs, housing, schools, nhs etc . Scotland likes to make out its a open and welcoming country but scratch the surface and you'll find it isn't true - just my take n maybe a majority of people I speak to but certainly not all. There is some more clued up people that have concerns about the amount of money being spent on Europe, the loss of democracy to Brussels, concern's over fishing etc
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« Reply #128 on: May 23, 2016, 04:01:43 PM »
Reading a lot of the posts here, I think a lot of us are getting our hatred for a political party or leader mixed up with the issue of whether we should leave or stay in the EU imo. Loathing for Cameron, Boris, Corbyn, Clegg etc is not the issue. Long after this cast have retired to the Lords we will still be left with the legacy of how we voted. Can we not remove ourselves from party dogma and how we vote in a normal election to discuss the issues.

It is difficult to get information. But understanding that the Mirror, Indi, Guardian and Huffington are left wing and will chip away at the right, and the Sun, Express, Mail etc will do the same to the left. Reading around facts, past decisions and in the end our personal belief on whether it will/not help with immigration, will/wont help the economy and so on is going to be down to us I think personally!

In the end this land has survived the blitz, WW1, Armadas, famine, despots, Romans, Vikings, more crisis that we can remember and come through, so I think we will all survive whatever the vote!  :)

Oh jeez .............. Totally agree with you ...............  :o :o :o :o  ;D

You agree with me? The world has stopped turning!!!!! lol  ;)

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« Reply #129 on: May 26, 2016, 09:01:25 PM »
Oh, bugger it, I'm completely sick of this EU in/out (you shake it all about) debate...

No side will ever convince the other.  So here's the classic Monty Python 'Argument' sketch, which sums the whole thing up for me right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkjDuSVXiE

Not posting on this subject anymore... I'm sure everyone here has their reasons for which side they vote and I hope they will do it with intelligence and reason and will accept (whoever wins) whatever consequences happen a few years down the line, if any...  OK?   :)
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« Reply #130 on: May 27, 2016, 06:49:57 AM »
Lol. You just hammered a nail on the head!! Id thought a few days back when discussing the EU with someone at work, that everyone has an opinion that no-one is likely to change. So debate is pointless other than serving our ego.
And on that bombshell....im shutting this Forum and parliament down!!!!  ;D
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« Reply #131 on: May 27, 2016, 04:23:34 PM »
Lol Master Ray - perhaps it`s a kind of a banana attack ;D
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« Reply #132 on: May 27, 2016, 07:19:59 PM »
Lol Master Ray - perhaps it`s a kind of a banana attack ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPFIudX2UIc

Haven't seen that sketch in ages, great, thanks for that!
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« Reply #133 on: May 28, 2016, 08:30:49 PM »
Aw hell... I posted that thing about 'not posting on the EU debate anymore' thing a couple of days... then someone sent me THIS, which is too funny not to share with you... a bit rude...

http://www.newscross.co.uk/eu-referendum-called-off-after-both-sides-run-out-of-bullshit

Think of it not as an addition to the debate, just me posting a joke...  ::)
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« Reply #134 on: June 02, 2016, 09:28:31 PM »
For those who missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BFSJRH1q-A

Faisal Islam well done great performance.

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