EU Referendum

[ldopas]

Looking really good isn't it ..................................

Bit early to say isn't it? Both sides are posturing, as utterly predictable and anything agreed will be "not good enough, too little, too much, outrageous, brilliant" by the left and right wingers and of course the groups with vested interests in whatever topic is being negotiated. All I know is a majority voted for it, bad or good.

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Of course it's too early to give an Alan Hansen post match analysis but not too early for a "5 minutes into the 90 and it's not looking promising Gary, forwards look asleep, the midfield is absent and the defense is running around like headless chickens. Let's hope the goalkeeper has a good game".

No doubt there is an awful lot of posturing and "statement of intent tackles" going in but take your partisan glasses off for a moment and smell which way the wind is blowing. You know I was remain and I know you were leave but forget that and just attempt to view things from a non-interested third party eye, just where does this end up? Far too much reportage around the edges is building up to a very negative result for the UK. No the dire consequences of armageddon as presented by the remain campaign have yet to materialize but they are starting to build and as for the Narnia offered by the leave campaign lets just say that wardrobe looks a million _fucking miles away (350  million for the NHS anyone ?  ).

I've not for one minute posited a view against the results of last years referendum , it was what it was. Don't stop it being a stupid mistake though.

[Bunny]

So. A year later does anyone know whats happening yet?

[jackroadkill]

So. A year later does anyone know whats happening yet?

Did anyone ever know what was going on?  The Leavers' argument was based on Jingoism, wild speculation and bullshit, whilst the Remain campaign was based on entropy, inertia and bullshit.

Never have I seen such an important issue argued so poorly by both sides.

[ldopas]

I've not for one minute posited a view against the results of last years referendum , it was what it was. Don't stop it being a stupid mistake though.

You just did right there!

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Fair play but what I meant to say was I didn't try and and suggest the result should be changed in any way - the great british people spoke and that's that: I think you knew that smarty-pants 

[Bunny]

Give it 20 years and their will be a decision as to whether we go back in. Ill be in a nursing home and oblivious, mind
 

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Never have I seen such an important issue argued so poorly by both sides.

Now there's a truth 

Give it 20 years and their will be a decision as to whether we go back in. Ill be in a nursing home and oblivious, mind
 

In 20 years they will probably still be arguing about how we are going to leave and we'll be there in the nursing home asking our Care Assistants (if there are any by then) "did we win that Brexit thing and did we get our empire back?"

Still at least the lawyers will have kept the economy strong and stable 

[Master Ray]

Never have I seen such an important issue argued so poorly by both sides.

I think jackroadkill wins this thread.

Can anyone, regardless of their opinion, honestly say that they have absolute faith and respect in either side?

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Never have I seen such an important issue argued so poorly by both sides.

I think jackroadkill wins this thread.

Yep 

Can anyone, regardless of their opinion, honestly say that they have absolute faith and respect in either side?

Nope 

[Master Ray]

Just found out today that the Tories have refused to put an end to cuts to emergency services (that after saying that they were listening to the public... did Grenfell not actually happen?) yet there's a billion £££s to buy themselves the majority they needed (that's public money, not Tory money... anyone vote for that?)

That Magic Money Tree just grew a few more branches, eh? Just not the Labour one, that one doesn't exists, obvs... 

[Pol]

Ok controversial maybe but the eu was a steaming pile of shit that was always doomed to fail
Will brexit be a even bigger pile of shit who knows but looking that way just now
For every good thing the eu gave us there was something equally as bad
Frying pan - Fire

[jackroadkill]

Never have I seen such an important issue argued so poorly by both sides.

I think jackroadkill wins this thread.

Can anyone, regardless of their opinion, honestly say that they have absolute faith and respect in either side?

Gee, thanks!

I didn't vote in the referendum, which is not my usual style (spoiled ballot, anyone?), and this was purely down to not wanting to nail my colours to the mast of either campaign, each of which had done such a crappy, cut-price job of putting forward a cogent, rational and (above truthful or even reasonable) argument.  Both Leave and Remain just indulged in a playground spat that revolved around "Your argument's crap",  "No, YOUR argument's crap".

Furthermore, I can't believe that folk were surprised when, after the referendum,  various promises weren't met, figures were found to have been plucked from thin air, and blessed were those with a vested interest in either side's status quo.  That's to say nothing of the flagrant lying, general doom-mongering  and lack of positivity engaged in by "our" (I use the term loosely) politicians.

In short, I was too ashamed of the whole poxy affair to get involved.

[ldopas]

Fair play but what I meant to say was I didn't try and and suggest the result should be changed in any way - the great british people spoke and that's that: I think you knew that smarty-pants 

Hehe! My trousers of choice, smarty pants! 

[ldopas]

Just found out today that the Tories have refused to put an end to cuts to emergency services (that after saying that they were listening to the public... did Grenfell not actually happen?) yet there's a billion £££s to buy themselves the majority they needed (that's public money, not Tory money... anyone vote for that?)

That Magic Money Tree just grew a few more branches, eh? Just not the Labour one, that one doesn't exists, obvs... 

Hi MM. Where did you hear that? I've heard nothing, and just had a trawl on the net. Nothing.

Not saying you are right or wrong, and of course we should not cut emergency services, the clue is in the word "emergency", of which I am still here thanks to emergency services!!!!!!!!!

But there is a lot of fake news out there, especially from the left at the moment. But both sides are guilty. Im with Anna on this that a lot of the stats and info, unless from a source we know is bullshit.