Your Top 5 Of Anything... anything at all... ;o)

[Whirlwind]

My top 5 death scenes in movies...

Wiliam Dafoe in 'Platoon'
Sean Connery in 'The Untouchables'
Sean Connery (again) in 'The Man Who Would Be King'
Alan Tudyk in 'Serenity'
Edward Woodward in 'The Wicker Man'

Uhh, ever hear of the word 'SPOILER'?
A considerate human being would have taken the miniscule amount of time to write out those seven letters.

[Whirlwind]

1. The best death scene in "Wild geese" is given by the superb performance of Jack Watson, when only in the moment of death is he prepared to drop military protocol and call his officer Richard Burton by his first name as he screams "ALLLLLEN !!!".

2. Two of my favourite British films,

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1. Bingo! You got it right. Jack Watson was the heart and soul of that film. How anybody can watch THE WILD GEESE and think the Harris death scene is better than Mr. Watson's is beyond me or anybody else who has seen that movie.




2. THE WILD GEESE is one of your favorite films? Sure it's a fun film to watch with some memorable moments; but it is far from a great film. Flaws everywhere (I still have no idea why they couldn't move the convoy twenty yards up from the flaming bridge and cross there), a horrid stereotypical portrayal of a homosexual, and some really terrible acting (the kid who played Harris's son should have won a special Oscar for giving the worst performance in film history).

[Shush]

Yes its one of my favourite films, first saw it when I was around 12-13 and have been fond of it ever since. If you are suggesting it should not be because of flaws that can be found then I will have to disagree. I could pick out numerous errors based on the equipment, uniforms, weapons, insignia, but what would be the point. It is not a documentary or re-enactment. It is a fantasy action adventure film. It has nothing to prove. It was made to entertain and entertain it did. I agree with your comment on the poor image of the character Witty played by the wonderful Kenneth Griffith, but you have to bare in mind the film is now 40 years old and right or wrong things were viewed differently back then.

[Shush]

To add, if Master Ray has the opinion that the death scene of Richard Harris is the best in the film then how can that be wrong ? His "opinion" is exactly that and therefore cannot be wrong.  To state another scene from the film is better as a fact - when it happens to be your opinion is just pure arrogance. I have often thought looking at your past postings that you rub people up the wrong way by stating your opinion is the indisputable fact of the matter and any alternate opinion is just wrong.

You need to brush up on your communication skills. Of coarse, thats just my opinion Space 

[Whirlwind]

...I agree with your comment on the poor image of the character Witty played by the wonderful Kenneth Griffith, but you have to bare in mind the film is now 40 years old and right or wrong things were viewed differently back then.

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Dude, that movie could have been made 400 years ago and the distasteful prissy Nancy-Boy portrayal of Witty would still have been offensive.

[Whirlwind]

...His "opinion" is exactly that and therefore cannot be wrong.
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... by stating your opinion is the indisputable fact of the matter and any alternate opinion is just wrong.

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Opinions can be wrong. If it is his opinion that 2 + 2 = 5, would you still say "his opinion is exactly that and therefore cannot be wrong"?

And my opinions actually are indisputable facts. I do not spout nonsense. I do my homework and fully research things before I post them. My opinions are as solid in fact as is 2 + 2 = 4.

[gp(h)]

5 lasses I wouldn't want to cross

Shaw - Person Of Interest
Root - Person Of Interest
Ziva David - NCIS
Emma Peel - The Avengers
Xena - Warrior Princess

Those are my opinions. If you don't like them, I have others.

[Bunny]

...I agree with your comment on the poor image of the character Witty played by the wonderful Kenneth Griffith, but you have to bare in mind the film is now 40 years old and right or wrong things were viewed differently back then.

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Dude, that movie could have been made 400 years ago and the distasteful prissy Nancy-Boy portrayal of Witty would still have been offensive.

Interesting one. Ive met several real life Wittys. I never considered them offensive (I KNOW thats what neither of you meant) but I didnt find him offensive either. Just a role in a film. I actually like the contrast between a supposedly feminine man, actually being an accepted part of a gang of mercenaries.

[jackroadkill]

My five favourite descriptors for those of us who think that we know it all, or are perhaps superior in attitude when sadly mistaken as to their own importance, ability or gravitas:

1 - Knobjockey
2 - Lip flapper
3 - Walt
4 - Stroker
5 - Cockwomble.

[Bunny]

Top 5 cities
Bratislava
Nottingham
York
Newcastle
Frankfurt

[Bunny]

My five favourite descriptors for those of us who think that we know it all, or are perhaps superior in attitude when sadly mistaken as to their own importance, ability or gravitas:

1 - Knobjockey
2 - Lip flapper
3 - Walt
4 - Stroker
5 - Cockwomble.

May I swap Walt with Fister? 

[Whirlwind]

..Interesting one. ...Wittys...Just a role in a film. ..

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Point is this. OK, that film was made 40 years ago. How many homosexuals were portrayed in films at that time? A handful. So here is a rare example of a homosexual male in a film...and they make him out to be the lisping Nancy-Boy.

Question for you: why couldn't the macho-man Jack Watson character been the homosexual in the film? Or the Richard Burton character? Nah, they went for the effeminate Witty. And didn't he call the Simbas that were about to kill him "Lovelies"? My God, you were not offended by that? A homosexual greets other males - males who are about to kill him no less! - as "lovelies." Good God.

[Bunny]

And I totally get that point. And that the 70's and 80's were a breakthrough for gay characters, albeit camp gay characters as the only representation in the UK. Cant speak for America. Funny enough black and Asian characters were rare. BUT they also made being gay on tv become part of the norm. Things then changed after that norm, after laws changed after fears changed.
No I wasnt offended. I dont ever feel the need to be offended on someone elses behalf. Its a film, its a character Ive met. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but then in another 40 years it will be as well. Times and attitudes evolve.

Little Britain. The only Gay in the Village is as camp as Witty. Is it offensive or a stereotype?

[Master Ray]

My top 5 death scenes in movies...

Wiliam Dafoe in 'Platoon'
Sean Connery in 'The Untouchables'
Sean Connery (again) in 'The Man Who Would Be King'
Alan Tudyk in 'Serenity'
Edward Woodward in 'The Wicker Man'

Aw, balls, I just realised I missed out one of my favourite death scenes, Richard Harris in 'The Wild Geese'...    I'll substitute the second Sean Connery one from that previous post...

 

I will have to respectfully disagree. Connery's death scene in "the man who would be king" is given such power by by Michael Caine continuing to tearfully sing the song as Connery falls. The best death scene in "Wild geese" is given by the superb performance of Jack Watson, when only in the moment of death is he prepared to drop military protocol and call his officer Richard Burton by his first name as he screams "ALLLLLEN !!!".

Two of my favourite British films, the likes of which we will  never see again.

Fair enough!  We both love The Wild Geese! 

It was a tough one to drop TMWWBK as opposed to TU... I just love the cutting back and forth from Mr Connery getting plugged to the scene at the opera with Capone where he engrossed in the song, looks annoyed then starts smiling... and then the moment 'what... are you going... to DO!' and then pops his clogs.

As to Mr Watsons death, you're right, it was a proper shocker.  But one of the saddest moments was poor old Jock (loved his scene where he was interviewed for the mission)... dies off-camera and just gets chucked out of the plane... 'Geraro... get his legs...' 

I stand by my comment about it being a personal favourite (despite other detractors...)   

[Whirlwind]

Little Britain. The only Gay in the Village is as camp as Witty. Is it offensive or a stereotype?

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You honestly don't see that it is both? It was very offensive and it sure went for the bigoted stereotype of a homosexual. As I asked earlier, why couldn't the macho Richard Burton be the homosexual character? Nah, that would be no good. Instead the filmmakers decided let's get a homosexual in this film and make him prance about calling all the other men "lovelies." Offensive and a horrid stereotype.

By the way, you mention TV. We had an historic breakthrough in our television here in the States just two weeks ago. Homosexuals have been stars of our TV series now and then...but only in comedies and their homosexual nature was always a part of the story (part of the jokes, really). But two weeks ago a dramatic TV series began where the main character is a homosexual (married to a man) and his homosexuality has nothing to do with the story. He's just a guy who happens to be married to a man. (Oddly (stereotypically) enough they did make the character a Brit. Us Americans are not gay, but the British are. That's how our TV productions work around here.)

It is Alan Cumming as our first gay main character in a TV drama. A crime show called "Instinct."