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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2018, 07:10:44 PM »
McDonalds food.................................Oxymoron   ;D

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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2018, 08:04:00 PM »
McDonalds food.................................Oxymoron   ;D
Yeah, but as you are eating it, it's good.
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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2018, 06:35:57 PM »

The Scottish midges seem to be surviving strongly the wee fckers.

Perhaps they're a bit like cockroaches - would survive a nuclear war  ;D



We had a highland midge crawling around on the dashboard of our car on our way back down from a holiday up there last year. It stopped moving and expired just as we crossed the English border !!  ::)

..... perhaps it was a Remainer  :D

There are still far too many in hot, humid climates. Even in Eastern Europe, there is not shortage of them. Keep in mind that mosquitos and cockroaches have no positives.

Mosquitoes are food for bats, and swallows and swifts :)

And cockroaches are pretty much natures recyclers  :)

‘Hyperalarming’ study shows massive insect loss

 in a pristine national forest in Puerto Rico,



“This study in PNAS is a real wake-up call — a clarion call — that the phenomenon could be much, much bigger, and across many more ecosystems,” said David Wagner, an expert in invertebrate conservation at the University of Connecticut who was not involved with this research. He added: “This is one of the most disturbing articles I have ever read.”


The sweep sample biomass decreased to a fourth or an eighth of what it had been. Between January 1977 and January 2013, the catch rate in the sticky ground traps fell 60-fold.

“I find their data pretty compelling.”

The study authors also trapped anole lizards, which eat arthropods, in the rain forest. They compared these numbers with counts from the 1970s. Anole biomass dropped by more than 30 percent. Some anole species have altogether disappeared from the interior forest.

The food web appears to have been obliterated from the bottom. It’s credible that the authors link the cascade to arthropod loss, Schowalter said, because “you have all these different taxa showing the same trends — the insectivorous birds, frogs and lizards — but you don’t see those among seed-feeding birds.”


“It’s bewildering, and I’m scared to death that it’s actually death by a thousand cuts,” Wagner said. “One of the scariest parts about it is that we don’t have an obvious smoking gun here.”

The gravity of their findings and ramifications for other animals, especially vertebrates, is hyperalarming,” Wagner said. But he is not convinced that climate change is the global driver of insect loss. “The decline of insects in northern Europe precedes that of climate change there,” he said. “Likewise, in New England, some tangible declines began in the 1950s.”

ears will listen at some point, he said, because our food supply will be in jeopardy.

Wild insects provide $57 billion worth of six-legged labor in the United States each year, according to a 2006 estimate.



That's a very good article you posted Cthulu. I've selectively quoted parts of it that I feel are the most salient. The thing is cuddly cute mammals tug at the heartstrings and devastated landscapes are immediately understood but the horrible creepy crawlies underpin it all and we don't often notice them in our everyday life.

Another article for you to dissect Whirlwind

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/08/insect-bug-medicine-food-macneal/?user.testname=none

Another good article - cheers Tony  :-*

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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2018, 07:23:07 PM »
Nobody has mentioned what would happen to all the animal waste . The Asia countries that insects are a large part of their diet.  With apparently 85% plants needing insects, aye maybe we could pollinate some crops ourselves but what about all the trees etc the lungs of earth .
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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2018, 04:32:42 PM »
Nobody has mentioned what would happen to all the animal waste .

That was kind of alluded to in the article I posted;

"Insects also return nutrients to the earth. If they weren’t around, the amount of decay and rot all over the place would be terrible"


The Asia countries that insects are a large part of their diet. 

And this was covered in it too;

"You say that 2,086 species of insect are eaten by 3,071 different ethnic groups in about 130 countries. Give us some highlights from that global menu—and your own experience in Japan.

[Laughs] If you go to Mexico, they are selling chapulines—grasshoppers—in brown paper bags filled with spices. In Borneo, they eat rice bugs blended with chilies and salts, cooked in hollow bamboo stems. Caterpillars are very popular in Africa and are a great source of zinc, calcium, iron, and potassium. On Sardinia and Corsica, they eat “crying cheese”— Casu Marzu—that literally has maggots inside it.


In Japan, we went to three restaurants in Tokyo and Shinjuku. At the first, they had these bamboo caterpillars that you could tell had obviously been dead for a while. They got caught in the back of my throat. [Laughs] I needed a swig of beer to get them down.

The next place we went to had a smorgasbord of various insect species. One was this locust that ate rice leaves. It was cooked with soy, with a nice glaze, and because it ate rice leaves, when you ate the insect, you got this crunch, followed by this bright herbal taste that was unique. I’ve never experienced an ingredient like that.

Wasp larvae tasted like the white raisins you get in couscous. They were sweet, had a little pop as you ate them. When chefs regard insects as an ingredient filled with potential, you end up getting fantastic things."

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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2018, 08:12:10 PM »
Worth noting that we have lost over half the spieces of all animals in my life time alone.
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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2018, 06:27:37 PM »
And the thing is once you find out about one issue you then start to notice reports and findings about all sorts of trends and indications - it's a bit of a rabbit hole  :(
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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2018, 12:00:44 AM »
Worth noting that we have lost over half the spieces of all animals in my life time alone.
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And yet we still live. Imagine that.

Folks, there's a lot more to worry about than loss of insects. Climate change, long term effects of social media, opioids, Donald J. Trump, Whirlwind's next post... Insects? You can't be serious.

You foreigners probably never heard of Chlordane. Man, that stuff was lethal. One drop of it would kill every insect from New York to Ohio. No joke, that stuff made the Hiroshima bomb look like a sparkler. One drop....WHAM every insect kaput. I never saw a bug until I was 30 years old. Then our Enviornmental Protection Agency banned Chlordane...and then I started seeing insects.




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Re: Where are all the Insects ?
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2018, 06:30:01 PM »
Preliminary research seems to show heatwaves - and particularly repeated heatwaves- have a significant effect on the fertility of male beetles, even worse this seems to be passed on to the next generation . Of obvious concern in relation to climate change and worth thinking about considering decline in human fertility.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/13/heatwaves-wipe-out-male-insect-fertility-beetles-study
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