EU Referendum

[Pol]

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/the-eu-shows-its-contempt-for-vapers.html?m=1

Make your own minds up

[Hughie]

Yes, stay, in.

No, don't leave, not out.

H

 

[Johnz]

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/the-eu-shows-its-contempt-for-vapers.html?m=1

Make your own minds up

The question is whether a more localized government would do it differently. Here in NZ a packet of cigarettes costs 12 pounds and I'm sure vaping is pretty expensive too. It's just seen as easy tax money so I doubt any government would view it differently.

[Pol]

Your probably right johnz , but its not about vaping its about a bunch of people who none of us voted for imposing laws in sneaky underhand way. At least with uk laws you get a chance to protest, and amendments can be made , and at least some of your fellow citizens voted for them in the first place.
Where is the democracy in eu and to think we pay £55 million for this every day
We gotta take the power back

I could easily quit vaping, I'm already at 3mg strength nicotine, I just want smokers to be given the same opportunity I was

[Bunny]

I have a feeling that Francois Hollande's warning will only build more resentment if youre in the leave camp. However its a legitimate point. Without EU treaties, we arent privvy to any agreements and in effect govern our own borders. Sounds ideal but given the hundreds of thousands that have vanished and my own dealings with immigration officials, Im not convinced they are currently empowered to deal effectively. Interesting times.

[Rusco]

I'm reading some news about Ireland and Scotland taking opposing stances to what UK have. What do you folks feel there, is your own stance common in your lands compared to a generalized view or do you disagree with it?

[Pol]

Its generally perceived that Scotland wants to remain in Europe, every Scottish mp is pro Europe and I think nearly all msp's are also pro Europe. Talking to people I feel most are actually unsure what it all means , others what to stay and quite a few what to leave. Me I think I've made my feelings clear.

Other issue, In the last Scottish elections the snp had a policy in its manifesto of minimum pricing on alcohol and of course they won with a large majority yet the democratic wish of the Scottish people for minimum prices on alcohol was denied by the European Parliament and of course they were well backed by the big drinks companies.
Yet again profits before health  !

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Must admit, losing interest in the "debate" which mostly seems to be "my dad is bigger than yours" nothingness.  But I do pick up the idea that yes/no doesn't relate to party loyalties or national identity. It really does seem that it's mixed across the board and you could have a tory alongside a labour supporter alongside a SNP member in either camp. I've not noticed any reporting on the feeling in Northern Ireland, I wonder how an out vote would affect things over there?

Thought this piece by Mark Steel in The Independent the other day was quite amusing:

 http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-negotiations-is-there-some-way-we-can-make-both-sides-lose-this-referendum-a6883441.html

[MARKXE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTv7UoK8oJY&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0rj2DWwFBU&ebc=ANyPxKqkcI9vmaLv1V06f0BQSVFBEOYjiwdITob7k3rXdlf4HBhux9BTy1dTxvDUhLksFPSaf1RZAxntFD6GYThHz3iQjoXpVQ

[Johnz]

Thought this piece by Mark Steel in The Independent the other day was quite amusing:

 http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-negotiations-is-there-some-way-we-can-make-both-sides-lose-this-referendum-a6883441.html

That just made me laugh!

[Johnz]

I think that following of some of political parties have grown large due to EU (populists especially). First they're against the institution, next they're using it themselves. There are rightwing maggots as MEPs today.

That is a good point. But do you think that an end of the EU would see the populist parties lose popularity? I really don't know.

[MARKXE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSU-Axfe8pE

[Master Ray]

So, IDS has quit his job...

What's the betting that, within a few days, he'll be coming out as pro-EU exit?

 

[Pol]

I thought ids was already for out. And on the ids I would like to say well done just goes to show how bad Cameron and Osborne are taking from the disabled to give to the middle class that even a nasty piece of work ( no pun intended) would quit in protest.

[Bunny]

I thought ids was already for out. And on the ids I would like to say well done just goes to show how bad Cameron and Osborne are taking from the disabled to give to the middle class that even a nasty piece of work ( no pun intended) would quit in protest.

Fully agree with the nasty piece of work. Norman Tebbit for the 2000's but without the spine.