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Everything Else / Re: Dario Argento and others thrillers/horror movies directors

« Last post by Guillaume on Today at 09:37:32 AM »

maybe you have some more information about The Keep. Is there a longer version or more of a director's cut available?

There is no "Director's Cut." Mann himself doesn't seem interested in reworking the film with any scenes or shots to incorporate. He said there might be some material on the film in his archives, but he's not sure. You can find a longer ending on YouTube than the one you saw on the Blu-ray:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMpDerTdnNY

I read that Michael Mann is not satisfied with the version due to financial shortcuts and his vision was a much longer version of the film and that much material he shot has not made it to the final cut/theatrical version.

Visual effects specialist Wally Veevers died during post-production, after filming had wrapped on THE KEEP, so apparently some shots/scenes had to be abandoned or left incomplete, and other scenes/shots had to be reshot after Veevers' death. Mann said that the special effects work begun by Wally Veevers was never completed and that the film also suffered from script problems (according to Mann, his screenplay wasn't fully finished before filming). He said he needed more shooting time before the film's theatrical release, but the major company Paramount refused to give Mann more money after Wally Veevers' death to complete his work.

Filmed in Wales and at Shepperton Studios during the autumn of 1982, The Keep suffered numerous post-production problems, mainly the death of special effects supervisor Wally Veevers before he completed his work on the film. The film was also subject to significant editing troubles, as Mann's original director's cut was 210 minutes long, which its distributor, Paramount Pictures, required be cut to 120 minutes. After test screenings of the 120-minute version received unfavorable audience responses, the film was truncated to its final 96-minute cut, which was released theatrically in December 1983.

Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keep_(film)

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Everything Else / Re: what Film / TV are you watching RIGHT NOW

« Last post by cthulhu on Today at 09:22:35 AM »

The last movies i saw that i found good, great or watchable, at least not a waste of time were:

Warfare
This one struck me really deep. It almost has no story, there is no score or music for dramatisation, but it kept me interested and thrilled for the whole time.

Daaaaaali!
A Quentin Dupieux movie and i love all of them! It's about Salvatore Dali and it's beautifully filmed, grotesque, strange, funny.

The Phoenician Scheme
Well, this is a Wes Anderson movie and you get a Wes Anderson Movie. I enjoy Wes Andrson movies

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Everything Else / Re: Michael Mann

« Last post by cthulhu on Today at 09:12:01 AM »

I just posted a question about The Keep in the other thread ...
And i will do that. My friend wanted to invite me to that guy and when it happens, i will ask him. I think there will be some information about the rights and distribution and i don't think he is srtill in professional connection with TD and releasing is always about money first, but i will tell him, that i know that at least 10.000 french people will buy an overpriced edition of that soundtrack ;-)

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Everything Else / Re: Dario Argento and others thrillers/horror movies directors

« Last post by cthulhu on Today at 09:07:42 AM »

Thanks for the welcome Guillaume and also to Master Ray for his efforts to keep this forum going. I don't want to get sentimental here, but this place and especially this section with mostly you and MR was always a great inspiration for me, we share a very similar taste and fascination of the art of filmmaking.

And as always, you described Thy Live! perfectly.

And for Dark Glasses...i must say i had the chance to view it on s streaming platform, but i skipped it. I had and have my doubts, i don't know why. I also recently updated my Argento collection and bought Phenomena. I kind of feel, but i have to check that, that the newer Argento movies are different from his early ones regarding the use of light and scenery.

What can you say more about Dark Glasses and maybe you have some more information about The Keep. Is there a longer version or more of a director's cut available?

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Everything Else / Re: Michael Mann

« Last post by Guillaume on Today at 09:02:13 AM »

I finally watched The Keep recently and it was fantastic! Been searching for a bluray version since you mentioned it here and i found a spanish edition.

I also have the spanish edition, which is basic (no extras) but offers a very nice picture quality. As I'm a big fan of this film (and Mann's movies in general), I also own the very expensive but very classy australian 4K Blu-ray edition from Imprint...Master Ray, if you're reading this...!  :

https://viavision.com.au/shop/the-keep-1983-cross-replica-limited-edition-4k-uhd-2-disc-blu-ray-cd-imprint-collection-438/

 By the way, I still haven't seen "Ferrari"! Last I heard, Mann is supposed to be shooting the sequel/prequel to "Heat" next year... I don't know if that's good news, but I'm still hoping for at least a good thriller.

Fun fact: a friend of mine is a friend of the manager of Tangerine Dream

Please ask your friend to beg Tangerine Dream's manager to release the complete soundtrack of THE KEEP on CD/vinyl!!! The soundtrack to THE KEEP has NEVER been officially released on CD/vinyl, because I suppose there were some issues between Tangerine Dream and their record label at the time. But it's very frustrating because it's my favorite soundtrack of theirs and I would love to own it on CD/vinyl!

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Everything Else / Re: Dario Argento and others thrillers/horror movies directors

« Last post by Guillaume on Today at 08:51:15 AM »

Welcome back, Cthulhu! 

I had a wonderful cineastic experience two months ago, for the first time i saw They Live! on the big screen. Wow! I have seen this movie many times, i wouldn't say it's the best John Carpenter movie, because almost all of his films i find very good, but They Live! is a very special movie on its own. Like carpenter said, it was intended as a documentary and commentary on the reagan area and his approach was very documentary stile. They used real locations, real people in the streets while the actors moved around them and there is so much creativity in it and its filmed beautifully..raw and gripping. To see this on the big screen was very special.

You were very lucky to see "They live" on the big screen!! The Carpenter films I've seen in theaters are:
"Halloween", "The Fog", "The Thing", "Christine", "Village of the Damned", "Escape from LA", "Vampires" and "Ghosts of Mars".

"They Live" is a film that improves with age, like fine wine. At the time, I saw it as just a long episode of "V," but it's a film that, unfortunately, remains relevant and impactful in its social and political message. When you're unemployed, you quickly find yourself in the shoes of John Nada, the vagabond "hero," and the opening scenes of "They Live" are very beautiful and powerful in that regard. The assault on the shantytown/homeless quarter by the armed forces is a very powerful moment of cinema and political revolt, in my opinion. The final shot is also very funny, and Carpenter's bluesy score is excellent as well. A great film.

And by the way, Master Ray, if you're reading us, once again I highly recommend you to see Dario Argento's latest (?) film, the excellent "Dark Glasses" ("Occhiali Neri")... I'm curious to hear your opinion about this film 

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Everything Else / Re: what songs are you listening to RIGHT NOW

« Last post by cthulhu on Today at 08:41:29 AM »

I'm a big fan of Tortoise and they have a new album out and i love it..
You can listen to the full album here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJULJPvmMqg&list=RDeJULJPvmMqg&start_radio=1&t=338s


This is one of my favourite tracks and performances by Tortoise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IojbJvx_Gtk&list=RDeJULJPvmMqg&index=7

And this one is one of the best filmed music videos i've seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zRJftR_508&list=RDEMwWhhiy7Ywe4gB05hmv-7ag&start_radio=1

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Everything Else / Re: Dario Argento and others thrillers/horror movies directors

« Last post by cthulhu on Today at 08:32:53 AM »

I had a wonderful cineastic experience two months ago, for the first time i saw They Live! on the big screen. Wow! I have seen this movie many times, i wouldn't say it's the best John Carpenter movie, because almost all of his films i find very good, but They Live! is a very special movie on its own. Like carpenter said, it was intended as a documentary and commentary on the reagan area and his approach was very documentary stile. They used real locations, real people in the streets while the actors moved around them and there is so much creativity in it and its filmed beautifully..raw and gripping. To see this on the big screen was very special.

Also i saw the original Robocop, like two years ago for the first time in a cinema and it was also a new experience while having seen this one many, many times before.

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Everything Else / Re: Your dream NMA setlist...

« Last post by cthulhu on Today at 08:19:20 AM »

My last shows i went to were in berlin, the wonderful, wonderful, tears raising emotionaly musicaly show with the Sinfonia Leipzig after the period of lockdowns and then the sweaty, wild dancing and celebrating one in the small club SO36...
Haven't been following live sets after that, i don't know and don't want to expect a special setlist for my next one in amsterdam, but here we go

Roumor & Rapture
Eyes Get Used To The Darkness
Guessing
Winter
Seven Times
Orange Tree Roads
Wipeout
Poison Street
No Rest
Language
First Summer After
Never Arriving
Setting Sun
Where I Am
Born Feral

Ocean Rising
Lights Go Out
Ballad

Ballad of Bodmin Pill
Purity
Whirlwind

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Everything Else / Re: Michael Mann

« Last post by cthulhu on Today at 07:57:41 AM »

I finally watched The Keep recently and it was fantastic! Been searching for a bluray version since you mentioned it here and i found a spanish edition. Fun fact: a friend of mine is a friend of the manager of Tangerine Dream. I read that Michael Mann is not satisfied with the version due to financial shortcuts and his vision was a much longer version of the film and that much material he shot has not made it to the final cut/theatrical version.